Wednesday, December 13, 2023

A Little Tale From Back in the Day!

 Good morning all.  Today I am going to relay a little story of my Momma and her young life.  Her perspectives and how things have changed over the years.  I hope you get a smile and maybe a chuckle from this.

My mom grew up fairly poor.  The house they lived in was a clothing store before they got it and turned it into a house.  Mom and her brother and sis's slept in the upstairs attic room, that had a floor - but I never ever saw insulation up there (in my years).  The house was right next door to a church and it set on the top of a very steep hilly yard.  The back yard had been terraced to grow some garden over the years and the outhouse was at the very bottom of the steep hill!  What a walk in the cold.
This is an 'updated' look of the house - with new windows and door.  It was until recently covered in that roofing looking siding (prob. asbestos).  It wasn't big at all - grandma, grandpa and 4 kiddos lived here!  My spinster aunt and uncle lived there until they passed.  This pic looks decent - I don't remember it looking this good.

Grandma came from a very wealthy family in Cincinnati.  She met grandpa, they married and moved here to Indy.  They were not well to do AT ALL.  Her brother - my great Uncle Edwin - was constantly helping the family out (he seemed to be the only one that helped).  Grandpa worked hard - but never enough for grandma (that tells you something).
On a Christmas note - the Christmas tree was delivered by Santa!  That was because uncle would have one sent to the house along with extra gifts on Christmas Eve.  The tree always was set and decorated on the library table they had and set in the middle of the living room    .  I have that table now and when I DO put up a tree it sets on that table.

My uncle was a very wealthy business owner.  He and his brother had a very high-end custom jewelry store in Cincy.  They all lived grandly.
My great uncle.  He and his brother/business partner, built houses right next to each other in a very exclusive area - then and now - area of Cincy.  
Amazingly I have a couple of items that were uncles.  I have his Masonic pin, his union pin for the jeweler's guild and a small custom piece he made.  He was also an avid inventor and had many patents.

Well - I digress.  My mom got married at 16!  Needless to say, the house was not always pleasant with grandma's attitude about life.  (from what I hear).
I think mom met Lester at the park nearby and he was quite a bit older (in his 20's). (I cringe to think about this today!).  Times have changed.  Lester was my eldest sister's dad.  The marriage ended when sis was 4.  Mom didn't have her until she 21.
BUT - when he and mom married - Uncle Edwin offered to have a party for all the Cincy family to attend for the young just married couple and offered them a nice room as a honeymoon suite!  So that is what they did.
Mom always talked about the house as a mansion.  Knowing our mom, we figured it was just a smaller nice house - because mom (even until she passed) thought a lot of places were mansions that weren't.  LOL
Well, as I began doing ancestry research, I came across a cousin and we talked a lot.  (in the 90's).  She told me Edwins's old home was actually for sale at that time and I should call the realtor.  I did, and they asked if they could send me the booklet on the house!  Booklet?  I figured it must be nice - as I have never seen a 'booklet' on a house for sale.  I SAID YES!
Well, this is the house - still as it was originally.  It was built and brand new the year mom stayed there.  8 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms, 3 floors - back in 1928!  Over an acre of large wooded land.  
OK - I think mom was right.  Definitely a mansion back in the day - and kind of today!  Today worth almost $2 mil.
This is the crest over the door that is still there to this day!  How cool is that?

So yes, momma did stay in a 'mansion' on her honeymoon!
All the extended family was there and had a mighty celebration from what she said.

NOW THIS IS THE FUNNY - as the party was winding down - her aunts pulled her to the side to have 'the talk' with her!  (yes, she was that innocent).  They told her to make sure that no matter what, that she leave her 'bloomers' on that night!!  To put on her nighty OVER her bloomers.  This makes me laugh to think about.  SHE DID what they said, much to the disdain of Lester, I am sure.
What a honeymoon he had - LOL.
Well, it took her 5 years to have my sister - so I wonder how long those bloomers stayed on!  HAHA

SO a sweet story about family helping family.  Growing up rich and then living poor.  Family getting involved to help, but also making others feel bad.  A story from both sides of the 'track'.
A tale of innocence and young love. 

I always felt sorry for grandpa - he passed when I was 2.  I wish I had known him - mom said he adored me.  When he would visit, she said he always set with me on his lap and fussed over me.  Grandma passed a couple years later, and I really don't remember her either.  From mom and what my siblings had to say - she was so NOT nice to grandpa and made her kids pretty miserable.  I guess she adored the grandkids though.  It is amazing how life goes.
I have gone to Cincy and visited all the graves and monuments of that side of the family - they were pretty impressive.  There was a lot of money there.  I wish I had known about the house when I went - that would have been neat to see.

Kind of glad that I grew up as I did.  It seems money was very important to most of that branch of the family (so many stories) - glad our life was a simple and humble one.

So I hope you smiled and maybe chuckled a little.
My sweet momma!  Oh, the stories!

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  1. What a wonderful story, Cheryl, and funny in parts, too! As we get older and family members leave this earth, we become the "story keepers" of our ancestors. Sis and I talked about that; we now hold the position of passing our family's history down to the younger generations. It can be funny, though, how they interpret the stories. One of her grandsons thinks *our* maternal grandfather was something of a gangster from stories she's shared. LOL!

    Not sure if I've shared this before, but after Hubs and I married, we discovered that my maternal grandfather--who worked in a factory in WI--built the mining equipment that Hubs' maternal grandfather repaired as a mechanic at the Bisbee (AZ) mine! They were about the same age. And our maternal grandmothers each married at 16, too. In both cases they married in secret and had heck to pay (both men were considered hoodlums) in their own families until children came along. Hubs' maternal grandparents and my own were what's now termed "working poor". Our grandfathers hunted for winter meat. Our grandmothers had gardens and canned. Nothing was ever wasted. Even scraps had a use.

    So different from our own parents! My mom and MIL had careers. I think of my Sis's kids, how they're raising their own children today, and it's different still, but in between, Sis and I were SAHM's or held jobs that let us be home when the kids were home. Hubs' sisters were also SAHM's and/or worked around kids' schedules. It's his younger sister who'll likely be a grandma for the first time today. Her son's wife will be a SAHM and homeschool. She has a teaching degree and taught up until this school year.

    Sorry. I'm going on and on. But want you to know, Cheryl, I just LOVE these posts! Thank you for sharing! --Elise

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    1. I am kind of the story keeper in my family. I was home for several years after the others grew up and married, so I got a lot of the stories. I need to make a book of all the stuff - mom did journals as well. I told her I would some day. It would be fun for the grands to see.
      Like you said things have sure changed each generation. Sometimes for the good sometimes not.
      Your stories are great. You should write them down too.

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    2. Cheryl, in her later years, Grandma Griff wrote and self-published her stories for her grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Mostly of her own growing up years (like you, her siblings were a good deal older) and her years in Africa after her husband died--she was a dorm mother for a Missionary school on the Ivory Coast. Anyway, it gave a glimpse into her life, but not really the *family* stories. I think it's a good idea to write those down. Hmmm.

      Just got word Elizabeth Kay B. was born before midnight! At almost 7 lbs., she's doing well. So is her mom. :-D
      --Elise

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    3. Thank you, Lori. SIL just texted me pics. :-D

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    4. Congrats to the family on the baby girl. Hope all are well.

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    5. Congratulations to the entire family on little Elizabeth Kay B.! She sounds about the same size as our first born, 'Janie' our daughter who volunteered at Pearl Harbor with the vets. So exciting for your family! I'm thankful all is well.

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    6. Thank you, Cheryl and Amelia. :-)

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  2. Bloomers! Ha! I'm sure it was not what her husband was expecting. The house is beautiful. Too bad you couldn't have seen it when you were in Cincy. There are some nice neighborhoods in the city. My oldest daughter lived and worked there for many years, before they moved to Texas. One of the elementary schools that she taught at was in Hyde Park with some cool old houses.

    Another sunny day! We need to plant some bulbs but with the weather being as warm as it is, I'm not sure what to do.

    Hugs for your kitties!

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    1. Yep, them bloomers! Yeah, I can imagine he was not a happy camper. Cincy is a pretty neat place - went there a lot as a child to the zoo and such. I loved the hills! Wow, I can't imagine driving those today.
      The day is pretty. I will hug them!

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  3. I'm curious as to how your mom would have met Lester. Would he have been a family friend? In any event, the bloomer story is funny. I'm sure it was a shock to him that first night.
    I wonder too, if your grandmother was jealous of her brothers and took her disappointment out on your grandfather. He sounds like a sweet man who worked hard to support his family.
    My family home, as a child, was originally a shanty attached to several granaries. Dad tore off the shanty to build a kitchen and added a bathroom, bedrooms, and porch over a few years. Mom said that for years after they moved in, she found grain coming out from below the walls in their bedroom.

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    1. Well the park was just up the road from the house she grew up in, and supposedly they met at the park. Not sure exactly how - I even asked sis the other day, and she didn't know.
      Oh, I am sure grandma was sad to have to change her lifestyle for sure. It was not what she was used to. I think grandpa sounded like a lovely man - I have never heard a bad story about him.
      They lived just up the road from where I live now and he worked downtown - and often walked all the way to work if no money for trolley. Now, downtown isn't far by car - but that is a long walk!
      What a neat story. That is a funny story about the grain coming out the walls. It is just amazing at how so many of us had such humble beginnings. I love it. It says much about our stock!

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  4. Wow! That house really is a mansion and Uncle Edwin was a very handsome man. The bloomers story reminds me how my grandmother told me that was actually in labour with her first child before my great-grandmother explained how the baby was going to emerge. Up until that point she thought the doctor had a special key that he would put into her navel and open it up! She must have got over the shock, as she went on to have another 3 children.

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    1. I love the house - the pictures inside it, was tons of wood and fireplaces as well. Yes, I think he was quite a handsome gent. Very stately looking.
      Oh my gosh, now that has me laughing. Bless her heart. I guess there weren't a lot of 'sex talks' back then! I guess she must have been OK with it, since she had more. Oh my, that is a new one for me to hear. Thanks!!!

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  5. What a neat story, Cheryl. Definitely sounds like that side of the family had money. It would be neat to see that old house now and how neat they sent you the booklet. I wonder if your Mom had a chamber pot when she was growing up? I wouldn't want to go to the outhouse down that hill in the cold. LOL My grandparents had an outhouse in Kentucky when I was little and we would visit. My other grandparents camped down on the Illinois river and there were outhouses there too. They are probably all banned these days though.

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    1. Oh they had money and many still do. I acted interested at the time, and they sent the booklet thinking I might be interested in buying.
      I am sure they must have had a chamber pot. We had an outhouse on the property at my house until I was 9 or 10. We did have an indoor toilet at that time - but during the summer, the outhouse was used a lot.
      I wasn't a fan!

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  6. Humble for the win. I like simple. It's the best.

    Wow, on getting married at 16. That blows my mind.

    Loved the booklet of the house. Reminds me of recipe books with that kind of binding.

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    1. Yes mam - I like simple the best too.
      Yes that is so young. Heck my eldest sister married at 16 as well. She was madly in love and they just wanted to be married. She and my BIL moved into a house next door to mom and dad! They were married 56 years when he passed. It can work.

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  7. I love family history! It is so interesting and there are so many surprises!

    My MIL grew up in a house with a maid who did everything for the family. She really raised my MIL as her Mother was too busy with all her society doings. My FIL was the son of a mail carrier so just an ordinary guy. Oh my goodness when they got married my MIL was surprised to find dirty clothes piling on the floor of the bedroom. She was used to them being picked up and returned washed and ironed to her closet. She had never cooked a thing! Well she had to learn! She called her Mother for advice which is hilarious since her Mother did not know how to cook either! There were so many stories of the mishaps!

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    1. I love family history. Yep, there are so many interesting stories.
      Oh my goodness that had to be a shocker. Funny, she called her mom - would have been better to call the maid!
      Talk about a harsh reality and having to learn the hard way!
      Odd how opposites attract!

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  8. What a wonderful story. It would be hard to be raised wealthy and then live poor.

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    1. Cute huh?
      It had to be hard - she had everything and then she had nothing, but lots of babies and hard work. A big eye opener!

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  9. Oh Cheryl, this is so interesting! I love the first home as well as the mansion. Oooooo I wonder what the inside of the mansion looks like? Are there original bathrooms or anything like that? Your uncle sounds so neat as well as being a cute guy! He's pretty handsome I must say. How thoughtful he was to send a tree and gifts too! The family crest is just so very neat. Have you ever seen the movie, 'Shop Around the Corner' with Jimmy Stewart? It's about an oldtime jewelry and gift store, very good quality movie with elements of Christmas. One of hubs favorites. Sounds like a neat family but the grandma sounds kinda bratty. lol Her poor husband must have been a saint!

    Oh dear me, the bloomer story takes the cake, lol that is crazy! I wish I could be a fly on that wall back then! Oh dear me....*giggle*

    Oh, that is such a shame your grandpa died a little too early. It's always so sad when that happens to a sweetheart like that. My mom's husband, Al died in his 60s from a heart attack and it was just horrible. He adored our little girls and they adored him.

    This is just a wonderful entry, Cheryl. Thank you for sharing. I like all of your entries btw but this was very different, a look into your family. I would like to think that most of us are the salt of the earth type of person here. A blessing.

    I appreciate you Cheryl, I hope you are having a good day, I will be praying for Blackie. Oh how I know how that is getting those little fur babies to the vet's so early many times still dark. Bottom line is I'm praying! (((hugs))) ~Amelia

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    1. The house was 8 bed and 4 bath back in the late 20's when built. It still has beautiful woodwork throughout. I saw the real estate pics. They have added of course central air and heat and a pool over the years.
      I think uncle was pretty handsome. He sounds like a very nice man. Yeah, grandma was a bit of a brat - (nicely said). Poor grandpa - he stayed married to her!
      Thank you - I just hate the thought of taking him there. Poor guy. I appreciate the prayers. Holding off feeding tonight for a while, because he can't eat in the morning and they will both be yelling at me!

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    2. Just think, Cheryl... by this time tomorrow Blackie will be back at home and snuggled up somewhere. Prayers all goes smoothly! Poppy has been napping a lot today. She had some monitored time with Blue, and I've hand fed her some, as she hasn't had much appetite. We know from when Blue was spayed, she'll be feeling more like herself by the end of the week. Blackie will be more like himself by the end of the weekend, I'd imagine. G.G. always said her favorite verse was, "And it came to pass..."
      (((Hug))) --Elise

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    3. Awww Cheryl, I've been praying for you and Blackie this morning, early as I took note of the time. Let us know updates, and like Elise says, he will be home before you know it and you will be relaxed and praising the Lord. : ) It's good it will be behind you for Christmas.

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  10. P.S. I finally got that blog up! Oh so many thoughts and stuff.

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    1. I read it - just lovely!!!!! I commented.

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    2. Beautiful blog post, Amelia! --Elise

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    3. Thank you Cheryl and Elise, I so value your friendship and encouragement. (((grateful hugs!)))

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  11. Lovely story Cheryl. I think that women married very young back then. My grandma had just turned 15 when she became engaged and turned 16 after the wedding. Her and Grandpa were together for a very long time and raised 15 living children (one died at birth and is in Grandma's Dad's grave), have 95 grandchildren and 220 great grandchildren. I don't even know all my cousins, which is too bad really.

    God bless.

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  12. Great stories ❤️ poor Lester.

    My grandmother married at 16 to my 24 year old grandpa. They had a long marriage and long lives. Things were different then. People had to mature early. Now, some people never mature……..

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    1. JACKIE & RHONDA - yes, ladies married early back in the day. It was just accepted. That is what people did.
      I know women today are all about having careers and such - but there is much to be said for being a mom to so many children and keeping a home and family. Life today is very different - and in many ways not so good.
      It seemed many had very long marriages as the vows meant something then. My mom married my dad after her marriage to Lester ended (a couple years later) and they were married over 50 years when daddy passed.

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    2. Yes, my Italian grandma was 16 and married my sweet Italian grandpa, he was (I think eleven years older at least).

      I was 19 and my husband was 26. I agree, Cheryl. The office of being a wife and mother is a cherished and God given one. Women cannot do it all as society and Eve would like to persuade. Something is going to suffer. Someone needs to rock the cradle. I have no regrets about not having a career although I certainly could have.

      So true, Rhonda, Haha, some people never mature.

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  13. I personally of a man who treated his family badly, from verbal to physical abuse. He was my father. Yet, he was lovable to everyone and had many friends. No one would believe his acts at home. Yet, he treated his family abominably. Plus, men do mellow with age. So, I am not completely buying the sweet old guy and mean wife bit. Sorry.

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    1. Linda, that seems a bit sorry, not sorry. Why bother comment?
      Louise.

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    2. Well it is my family and my family knows the truth. You can think what you like. My mother and her siblings lived there too!

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    3. Your family does know the truth. It seems rude (to me) to call that into question. This was a very sweet and appreciated blog post, Cheryl. I hope you know that. --Elise

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    4. Cheryl, that comment was uncalled for.

      Your entire entry is beautiful and I know you try to be very careful with your words, not enhancing or defaming anyone. I thought about being quiet, but this is the second time I've seen this behavior and I will speak up this time because I know how it feels to be on the receiving end.

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  14. Yesteryear grocery prices? Okay... not from as far back as we've been talking, but today is Wednesday, so it's "new flier day" for grocery stores. Basha's has Smithfield spiral hams for 89 cents lb. Hubs made a quick trip out, got an 8 lb. ham, 2 lbs. of Italian sausage and 6 cans of Libby's green beans for $16.88, saving $42.41 off of regular pricing. --Elise

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    1. Good deals. Last week and this Kroger has had hams for .89/lb. That is a deal for meat.

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    2. The deals have been few and far between lately. I'm so grateful when they come along!

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  15. What a sweet and interesting story about your family Cheryl. Thanks for sharing it and that house must be amazing. Simpler times for sure in some ways. Love your blog and always look forward to new posts. Wishing you a great holiday and Merry Christmas!

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    1. Hi Elaine! Just like showing how times have changed! Pretty sure no one would tell someone today to not 'remove your bloomers' on a wedding night! LOL
      I am glad to have you here. I try to do a bit of this and that - hopefully keeping it interesting and fun.
      Thank you so much and the same to you!

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  16. Enjoyed the glimpse into your family history, Cheryl. I think we can all agree that families can be disfunctional while maintaining the look of normalcy. Thank goodness for women's liberation which gave us all reassurance that life could be something other than being brood mares. So many young wives! But women were not raised with the notion of higher education or careers back then. It was marry out of high school and start a family. I remember asking my gynecologist about labour and he said that I didn't need to know about it; it would all be taken care of!
    Linda, I appreciate you sharing the truth about your father and appearances. It helps to deal with old trauma when we can speak the truth and 'out' the perpetrators.
    Louise, don't you think it makes an interesting conversation when there is more than one point of view?
    I would love to see the brochure of the mansion. perhaps another post?
    Good wishes sent for Blackie, today. I'm sure he is in good hands and will be a better version of himself soon. You are good to be paying a vet bill for Blackie. He will pay you back in purrs.

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    1. Rita, my natural father was like Linda's. And yes, back when our grandmothers married it was common to marry young. It was common for a generation after that. My mom married at 18 and my MIL at 19. Both later went to college and had careers. Even my Sis and most of our cousins married young. Most went to college, too. Young love was a thing back then. Blame it on the movies of the time. ;-)

      I've rarely shared about my childhood. The predators are long passed now for those of us who are older. We have--by and large--created better lives for ourselves. Yes, those points of view add interest, but I respect Cheryl's intent in sharing these stories of her family. It's good to focus on the positive. Especially at this time of year.
      Thank you. --Elise

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    2. Thanks - times were definitely different.
      I don't mind different points of view at all - but do not appreciate someone conjecturing that grandpa was not what he seemed. His children knew him - he was a good man.
      I was telling a story (my family story) - others' stories may be different - that is their story.
      It is a pretty decent size brochure a lot of pages - we will see.
      Thanks - he is at the vet already. I sure hated leaving him there.
      Havea good day.

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    3. There are some people who have a strange enjoyment of pooping on people's comments and blogs. I don't understand that and it's uncalled for. Whether it's our hen pets or grandfathers. We know our own families and lives, why can't people leave others alone? At best, do they not see how this is perceived by others?

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  17. Just want to say that I had no intention of offending anyone. When one gets comfortable with a blog, you feel that you can exchange ideas even if they do not sync exactly with everyone elses notions.
    It is sad that your Grandparents died when you were too young to remember them but they loved you well while they were with you. You are lucky to have these stories passed down; helps keep the ancestors alive in a sense.
    Elise, I think we may be of a similar age. I'm glad that you can leave the past where it belongs and open yourself to today's possibilities for joy. Wish it were so for all.
    Cheryl, I'm just thinking how pleasant it is to have a conversation with perfect strangers through your blog. Hope we can all be more considerate; especially me! Thank you.

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    1. Rita YOU did not offend. I am glad that people can have conversations and feel comfortable telling about theirs lives. I just don't appreciate someone thinking they know best about mine and what really happened. You are fine.
      I have had a lot of bad stuff happen in my life - but I chose to leave that in the past, where it belongs.
      I want this blog to be upbeat and joyful and fun.
      Thank you and please know my comment was not directed at you.

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  18. No offense here, Rita. I'll be 62 before the end of the month. While some may disagree, I believe it comes down to choice. My older sister and I deliberately *chose* to create better lives for ourselves, worked hard at it and did so. From my personal view, when you cling to the past you give power to those who no longer have power... unless you relinquish your own.

    As Cheryl said, times *were* very different, but why judge young wives back then? You'd likely be wrong about them. Did I mention that my maternal grandmother (who married at 16) had a long career as a secretary? Investing wisely, including IBM stock as soon as it went public? My paternal grandmother had her own catering business for decades. They'd be over 110 years old today if they were alive. Just thoughts to ponder. There were opportunities even back then. --Elise
    P.S. So you know, I do appreciate your viewpoint, Rita.

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  19. I'm almost 63, married at 19, hubs was 26 as I wrote above. I have no regrets and don't buy into the fallacy that a happy married family life is some imaginary trap to escape from. Love is a choice as our marriages progress. And I'm not speaking of any kind of abuse here, of course not. We've been happily married for almost 44 years, and of course there have been disagreements and the like here and there but we roll on and get through it in a healthy way, we love our family and look forward to family get togethers now, we feel that a Godly legacy can't be beat. Our eldest daughter dated a doctor of mathematics for quite a while, she had to break it off because of lack of chemistry (no pun intended) haha, he was a true genius. Seriously, a genius. He was one of the youngest college professors at a popular California university arriving from Canada at the age of 18, oh and he was homeschooled. He loved coming to our home and often repeated....Women can't do it all. A homemaker is a fulltime career in itself. : ) He loved the way our family operated. For me personally? I've used my self learned education in homeschooling. I paid attention in school and did well and of course could have gone for the career but that was not the path meant for me nor did I want that. My personal love for continuous learning on my own was wonderful for homeschooling and so many things, I used my art in homeschooling, my love for english for literature and writing, dance for exercise and my art for appreciation of the arts, my medical knowledge in herbology and nutrition. These things have been a blessing to our family, you can ask my son in laws! : ) I do not have to have a college degree for a ten minute conversation to impress someone. I can learn on my own. We need more farmers and plumbers too, a college degree is not for everyone. My husband does have one but it has not been necessary in his career. My husband is wonderful in economics, he grew up in a grocery store and knows his stuff with investments. His father didn't even go much past junior high and trust me...He was a success in the world's eyes. Our son in laws call my husband for advice all the time. That is a blessing and those kind of blessings can't be bought. It's called wisdom. Just want to state my personal case here. And of course it's nice for people to express themselves but it's even nicer to be polite and treat others as you would want to be treated. People need to think before they speak or write. So, that's my two cents worth. God bless, may we lift our country up in prayer. ~Amelia

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